Topic: Weekly Seed #9 [Alpha 3c] [Seed: SeedyRobots] (Read 10024 times)

zxc · « **on:** September 28, 2015, 02:34:21 AM »

Copying the format of earlier weekly seeds. I think I got everything right - if not, let me know.

This week's seed: SeedyRobots

The Weekly Seed is open to anyone. High scores are not the only feature of the runs and the main reason for putting this together is to share our experiences, stories, and tactics over the course of your run.

Rules are as follows:

The Weekly Seed begins from the date this thread is posted and lasts exactly seven days.
Make sure you are running the correct version of Cogmind (see thread subject).
Enter the seed and abort your current game to initiate the seed (more details are below).
Verify you are not running the tutorial and that the screenshot below of the Scrapyard and Level -10 matches your seed
Play through the game once. This is a friendly competition, we are all honest people.
When finished post your scoresheet here (it should be the newest file in /scores) and any other screenshots/stories/strategies you wish to share with the community.
Due to the spoilerific nature of this thread do not read the comments if you are intending to participate and haven't played your run!
Any scoresheets submitted after seven days will not be included.
Good luck!

HOW TO ENTER A SEED

Press F1 to go to the MENU, select OPTIONS, select Seed, and enter this week's seed:

Select GAME, select ABORT:

If you have followed the steps [Manual seed applied: SeedyRobots] should display in the log window.

Congratulations on entering the seed, now get in there!

jimmijamjams · « **Reply #1 on:** September 28, 2015, 04:10:44 AM »

Looks good! Thanks for taking this on

Happylisk · « **Reply #2 on:** September 28, 2015, 06:32:00 AM »

I'll get to this over the weekend. Looking forward!

Kyzrati · « **Reply #3 on:** September 28, 2015, 08:59:03 AM »

Yay! With the tournament over, I can participate again! I usually play on Fridays, so I'll be in on this later.

Joining the seed runs with everyone has been good to force me to play at least one full game a week, which is otherwise very difficult because I'll usually spend all my time implementing features and testing rather than playing for real

Thanks for picking it up, zxc.

Oarsman · « **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2015, 01:39:54 PM »

This didn't take me long...

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zill · « **Reply #5 on:** September 28, 2015, 03:25:09 PM »

My first attempt at the weekly seed, I barely fired a shot and only managed a score of 150

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fernsauce · « **Reply #6 on:** September 28, 2015, 09:24:50 PM »

Well, this was unexpected. This is, for the record, my first attempt at any of these seed runs and my first victory.

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zxc · « **Reply #7 on:** September 28, 2015, 10:09:29 PM »

Quote from: fernsauce on September 28, 2015, 09:24:50 PM

Well, this was unexpected. This is, for the record, my first attempt at any of these seed runs and my first victory.

Wow, congrats! Nice gear

I'll have a look at and comment on the run info after I do my own run.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #8 on:** September 28, 2015, 11:33:54 PM »

Whoa, a new victor!? The leaderboard has three now in just a week since the tournament's end! (I'm guessing this is partially a result of the new guides?

)

Haven't done my own run yet so I can't comment further

fernsauce · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:01:09 PM »

Quote from: Kyzrati on September 28, 2015, 11:33:54 PM

Whoa, a new victor!? The leaderboard has three now in just a week since the tournament's end! (I'm guessing this is partially a result of the new guides? )

I did read zxc's guide to stealth, which helped a fair bit. I also read the manual (after reaching Research and dying horribly) which was also really, really helpful. I had no idea you could even perform remote hacks prior to that, which makes hacking-heavy strategies a lot more effective. As it turns out, stacking network scanners is really, really effective.

Quote from: zxc on September 28, 2015, 10:09:29 PM

Wow, congrats! Nice gear

TBH I was going to quit and come back after hitting research, but I was so well equipped that I just kept on trucking. It worked pretty well, probably mostly because of all the hacking gear I had that let me find exits before any programmers ever showed up.

Also, the whole Access bug where the programmers never find you is kind of a relief. I imagine that's getting fixed, but it's kind of nice for now that you can take as much time as you want

zxc · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2015, 12:01:34 AM »

My run ended on -2. It was all going very well until I stepped on a (double) stasis trap - and it turns out that stasis traps alert nearby enemies in some way, which I didn't know before. Lost all my gear and got shredded. I made it to -2 but couldn't rebuild properly and died. Stasis traps are pretty much the most deadly thing for a stealth build, by a long, long way. I think if that didn't happen it was going to be a relatively easy win otherwise.

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kumo · « **Reply #11 on:** October 02, 2015, 01:46:36 AM »

I thought after the Alpha Challenge that I would do better than before, but the bots knocked me down a peg or two. Previous game 8200, this game 708...

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Kyzrati · « **Reply #12 on:** October 03, 2015, 12:50:38 AM »

Argh, worst run in a long time. Was going with a walking combat build as I usually do and got pincered by two pairs of Hunters on -6, which just ripped me apart.

And this was my first full game with 3c, too :/

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Cogmind - Alpha 3c

Name: Kyzrati

---[ CORE DESTROYED ]---

 Performance 
-------------
Evolutions (4)             2000
Robots Destroyed (77)      385
Value Destroyed (2360)     2360
Prototype IDs (3)          60
Alien Tech Identified (0)  0
Bonus (0)                  0
              TOTAL SCORE: 4805

 Cogmind 
---------
Core Integrity             0/850
Matter                     120/300
Energy                     50/50
System Corruption          1%
Temperature                Cool (15)
Location                   -6/Factory

 Parts 
-------
Power (2)
Propulsion (4)
Utility (6)
Weapon (3)

 Inventory 
-----------
Large Storage Unit
Light Angular Momentum Engine
Improved Datajack
Advanced Assault Cannon

 Peak State 
------------
Power
  Light Fission Core
  Light Fission Core
Propulsion
  Flexi-carbon Leg
  Flexi-carbon Leg
  Carbon-fiber Leg
  Flexi-carbon Leg
Utility
  Advanced Sensor Array
  Hardened Heavy Armor Plating
  High-capacity Storage Unit
  Reflective Heavy Armor
Weapon
  KE Penetrator
  High-powered Shotgun
  Heavy Plasma Cannon
[Rating: 64]

 Favorites 
-----------
Power                      Ion Engine
  Engine                   Ion Engine
  Power Core               Micro Nuclear Core
Propulsion                 Aluminum Leg
  Treads                   Light Treads
  Leg                      Aluminum Leg
Utility                    High-capacity Storage Unit
  Device                   Advanced Sensor Array
  Storage                  High-capacity Storage Unit
  Processor                Improved Targeting Computer
  Hackware                 Hacking Suite
  Protection               Improved Light Armor Plating
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  Energy Gun               EM Pulse Gun
  Energy Cannon            Heavy Particle Cannon
  Ballistic Gun            Heavy Assault Rifle
  Ballistic Cannon         Advanced Assault Cannon
  Launcher                 Heavy Rocket Launcher
  Special Melee Weapon     Improved Datajack

 Stats 
-------
Classes Destroyed          13
  Worker                   12
  Builder                  2
  Tunneler                 4
  Hauler                   1
  Recycler                 6
  Operator                 3
  Watcher                  3
  Swarmer                  7
  Grunt                    16
  Brawler                  3
  Sentry                   6
  Hunter                   5
  Programmer               9
NPCs Destroyed             0
Best Kill Streak           10
  Combat Bots Only         6
Matter Collected           2769
  Salvage Created          2886
Parts Attached             103
  Power                    14
  Propulsion               22
  Utility                  31
  Weapon                   36
Parts Lost                 44
  Power                    6
  Propulsion               10
  Utility                  13
  Weapon                   15
Average Slot Usage (%)     88
  Naked Turns              85
Spaces Moved               2184
  Fastest Speed (%)        200
  Slowest Speed (%)        45
  Overloaded Moves         0
  Propulsion Burnouts      0
  Targets Rammed           0
  Cave-ins Triggered       0
  Teleports                0
Heaviest Build             70
  Greatest Overweight (x)  4
  Average Overweight (x)   0
Largest Inventory          12
  Most Items Carried       12
  Average Items Carried    9
Core Damage Taken          1374
Volleys Fired              217
  Largest                  3
  Hottest                  166
Shots Fired                489
  Gun                      393
  Cannon                   86
  Launcher                 10
  Special                  0
  Kinetic                  273
  Thermal                  115
  Explosive                10
  Electromagnetic          91
Shots Hit Robots           317
  Core Hits                155
Overload Shots             0
  Energy Bleed             0
  Heat Surge               0
  Short Circuit            0
  Meltdown                 0
Melee Attacks              2
  Impact                   0
  Slashing                 0
  Piercing                 0
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  Projectiles              5193
  Explosions               1381
  Melee                    0
  Ramming                  0
Highest Temperature        436
  Average Temperature      121
  Shutdowns                5
  Energy Bleed             7
  Interference             12
  Matter Decay             1
  Short Circuit            2
  Damage (minor)           1
  Damage (major)           3
  Damage (core)            0
Highest Corruption         12
  Message Errors           6
  Parts Rejected           5
  Data loss (map)          14
  Data loss (database)     4
  Misfires                 3
  Misdirections            4
  Targeting Errors         13
  Weapon Failures          2
Haulers Intercepted        1
Robots Corrupted           0
Robots Melted              0
Tactical Retreats          8
Communications Jammed      0
Parts Field Recycled       0
  Retrieved Matter         0
Parts Merge Repaired       0
Drone Launches             2
  Drone Recoveries         0
Derelicts Assembled        0
Traps Triggered            0
  Indirectly               0
Trap Hack Attempts         2
  Triggered                0
  Disarmed                 0
  Reprogrammed             1
  Reused                   0
Machine Familiarity        6
  Terminals                5
  Fabricators              1
  Repair Stations          0
  Recycling Units          0
  Scanalyzers              0
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  Terminals                5
  Fabricators              1
  Repair Stations          0
  Recycling Units          0
  Scanalyzers              0
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  Successful               7
  Failed                   11
  Catastrophic             3
  Database Lockouts        0
  Manual                   2
  Terminals                15
  Fabricators              3
  Repair Stations          0
  Recycling Units          0
  Scanalyzers              0
Terminal Hacks             5
  Record                   0
  Part Schematic           1
  Robot Schematic          0
  Robot Analysis           0
  Prototype ID Bank        0
  Open Door                0
  Level Access Points      0
  Branch Access Points     0
  Emergency Access Points  0
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  Terminal Index           0
  Fabricator Index         0
  Repair Station Index     0
  Recycling Unit Index     0
  Scanalyzer Index         0
  Alert Level              0
  Unreport Threat          2
  Locate Traps             0
  Disarm Traps             0
  Reprogram Traps          0
  Dispatch Records         0
  Maintenance Status       0
  Security Status          0
  Surveillance Status      0
  Patrol Status            0
  Transport Status         0
  Investigation Status     0
  Extermination Status     0
  Reinforcement Status     0
  Assault Status           0
  Recall Investigation     0
  Recall Extermination     0
  Recall Reinforcements    0
  Recall Assault           0
  Hauler Manifests         1
  Registered Components    0
  Registered Prototypes    0
  Zone Layout              1
  Sector Layout            0
  Machine Controls         0
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  Full Trace Events        0
  Feedback Events          0
  Feedback Corruption      0
  Feedback Part Disabled   0
  Feedback Blocked         0
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  Robots Built             0
  Total Robot Build Rating 0
  Robot Fabrication Matter 0
  Robot Fabrication Time   0
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  Total Part Build Rating  2
  Part Fabrication Matter  20
  Part Fabrication Time    60
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  Part Repair Time         0
Parts Recycled             0
  Recycled Matter          0
  Retrieved Matter         0
Parts Scanalyzed           0
  Part Schematics Acquired 0
  Parts Damaged            0
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Robots Rewired             0
Robots Hacked              0
  Non-combat               1
  Combat                   0
  Parse                    0
  Link                     0
  Rebooted                 1
  Overloaded               0
  Assimilated              0
  Manual                   0
  Secondary                0
Robot Hack Failures        0
Allies Hacked              0
Hacks Repelled             0
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  Largest Group            2
  Highest-Rated Group      10
  Highest-Rated Ally       5
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  GOTO                     0
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  AID                      0
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  TUNNEL                   0
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  EXPLORE                  1
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  Walls Built              0
  Walls Tunneled           0
Ally Attacks               0
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  Kills                    0
Allies Corrupted           0
Allies Melted              0
Peak Influence             231
  Average Influence        74
Maximum Alert Level        1
  Low Security (%)         96
  Level 1                  3
  Level 2                  0
  Level 3                  0
  Level 4                  0
  Level 5                  0
Squads Dispatched          10
  Investigation            0
  Extermination            6
  Reinforcement            4
  Assault                  0
Exploration Rate (%)       22
  Regions Visited          6
Turns Passed               4210
  Depth 11                 64
  Depth 10                 491
  Depth 9                  521
  Depth 8                  571
  Depth 7                  1883
  Depth 6                  680
  Scrapyard                64
  Materials                1583
  Factory                  2563

 Prototype IDs 
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Improved Medium Laser
Precision Shock Rifle
Improved Footprint Analyzer

 Alien Tech Recovered 
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None

 Game 
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Seed: SeedyRobots
^Manual?: 1
Play Time: 54 min
Sessions: 2
Mod: N/A
Game No.: 264
ASCII: 1
Keyboard: 0
Font: 12/Cogmind
Map View: 50x50

Kyzrati · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2015, 12:55:32 AM »

Quote from: zxc on October 01, 2015, 12:01:34 AM

it turns out that stasis traps alert nearby enemies in some way, which I didn't know before.

Nope, you were just unlucky in that case. There's no warning function associated with any trap but the alarm trap.

Quote from: zxc on October 01, 2015, 12:01:34 AM

Stasis traps are pretty much the most deadly thing for a stealth build, by a long, long way.

I figured that would end up being the case.

In my run after the Hunters scrapped me I ran around with the Datajack in my inventory, pulling it out whenever encountering traps to reprogram them to take out my pursuers, which was pretty fun, but I didn't get to find an exit before running into more enemies (not enough of the floor was explored yet...). Partially my fault since I detoured into a dead end to grab a lone Drone Bay that might've helped me escape faster.

Happylisk · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2015, 06:17:07 PM »

Now that the tournie is over I've been experimenting with a couple of things. Today's experiment was how well can I do drunk.

The answer was -4, 8k score which was better than I expected.

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Kyzrati · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2015, 06:40:40 PM »

Haha, I don't know how well this experiment's results can be applied across multiple players. Perhaps next time we need a graph of "inebriation level vs score"

Happylisk · « **Reply #16 on:** October 04, 2015, 06:59:34 PM »

It was interesting to note the things I did differently. The main thing was I was too lazy to bother with teriminals and fabricators. The latter was more responsible for my early death (low storage = less ability to withstand attrition).

Also, using programmers to get a feel for where the exit is is way too effective. I breezed through factory 7-5 using them. Garrisons will be a very nice addition to the game.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #17 on:** October 04, 2015, 07:34:24 PM »

Yeah, garrisons were one of the mechanics I wanted before Alpha 1, but ran out of time and had to stop adding features. It's one of the things that is really needed for a number of reasons, the biggest (and reason I came up with that mechanic in the first place) being to make it more difficult to gauge precisely where the exits are. (Before yourself I don't think anyone really figured this out, though.)

zxc · « **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2015, 11:00:42 PM »

Quote from: Kyzrati on October 03, 2015, 12:55:32 AM

Quote from: zxc on October 01, 2015, 12:01:34 AM
it turns out that stasis traps alert nearby enemies in some way, which I didn't know before.
Nope, you were just unlucky in that case. There's no warning function associated with any trap but the alarm trap.

Are you sure?

https://youtu.be/G6RxhfiSHmU

Fortunately I recorded it. You can see me waiting several turns to make sure that the swarmer patrols were moving slow enough to trigger the stasis traps myself to move forward in the floor. The moment I trigger it, the swarmers suddenly move MUCH faster and straight to me. At the end of this, I had zero items, and the entire loss of the run can be attributed to this one moment.

Regardless, I've learnt that it's never worth it to trigger stasis traps yourself. But I do think that situation was not meant to happen.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2015, 11:22:09 PM »

Heh, what a coincidence that you have it recorded

Yes, I'm sure. In this case what's happening in the video is a relative speed change that has them approaching faster than you might expect. You are originally moving at 4.3 spaces per turn, then suddenly while stuck in the trap you spend several full turns in a row trying to escape (it costs one full turn, not your movement speed, to move against the field once). That squad just happened to be going in your direction, another clue being that only the first one was moving out ahead of the others--that one's the leader. If they had actually known you were there they would've shared their target info and all sped up and been on you at more or less the same time.

Patrols are statistically more likely to take corridors than be in rooms, so based on the map shown there was already a near 50% chance that they'd round the corner and past your location.

zxc · « **Reply #20 on:** October 04, 2015, 11:23:54 PM »

Quote from: Kyzrati on October 04, 2015, 11:22:09 PM

You are originally moving at 4.3 spaces per turn, then suddenly while stuck in the trap you spend several full turns in a row trying to escape (it costs one full turn, not your movement speed, to move against the field once).

I was waiting out many turns at the start. That's 100 time units per turn. Something just isn't right about this whole scenario.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2015, 11:29:08 PM »

I saw that, and they weren't doing much, but then patrols do also stop for certain periods. I've looked at the code several times (including when you first mentioned it) and there is nothing different about how stasis traps are handled--alarm traps are the only ones that have code to alert nearby robots--so if this happens with stasis traps it would also happen with all other traps, too. It makes sense that this feeling could come from stasis traps, compared to other types, since they're the only ones that keep you in place for a while as events around you unfold as normal.

zxc · « **Reply #22 on:** October 04, 2015, 11:34:46 PM »

Well I'm going to have to say that's an incredible coincidence for them to start moving so quickly the moment I step on it. I waited about 20 full turns just standing there, with them going at a speed at which I ought to be safe for another 50 turns, and then the moment I step on the trap they are attacking me within 3 turns. Roguelikes teach cruel and unusual lessons.

Quote from: Kyzrati on October 04, 2015, 11:22:09 PM

Heh, what a coincidence that you have it recorded

I intend to try recording some videos to support my guide when I can get a better mic.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #23 on:** October 04, 2015, 11:51:43 PM »

I'm genuinely curious if you experience it in other cases where it's 100% irrefutable that's what happened. Apparently it's already happened to you more than once, though as said there is statistical bias towards this occurrence.

There could also be other factors at play somewhere... I just tested it to be sure and see nothing out of the ordinary: Multiple patrols passing nearby had no response for the duration I was stuck in a stasis trap.

zxc · « **Reply #24 on:** October 05, 2015, 12:04:26 AM »

Quote from: Kyzrati on October 04, 2015, 11:51:43 PM

I'm genuinely curious if you experience it in other cases where it's 100% irrefutable that's what happened. Apparently it's already happened to you more than once, though as said there is statistical bias towards this occurrence.

There could also be other factors at play somewhere... I just tested it to be sure and see nothing out of the ordinary: Multiple patrols passing nearby had no response for the duration I was stuck in a stasis trap.

Well, you have the exact seed, floor (-3), trap and patrol. If you really wanted to, you could test that exact situation I was in more thoroughly. I'd do it myself but I'd want some kind of cheat/exploration/devtools mode to get there as it's non-trivial to reach -3 playing normally. I don't think it would be a good use of your time to test this but I'll keep my eyes open for other instances of stasis traps behaving unusually.

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