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Ideas / InfoWar/Hacking/Better Programmers/Other Suggestions
« on: December 12, 2021, 12:10:25 PM »
Just won my third victory, finally after so many near successes and I thought it would be a good time to share some feedback regarding assorted stuff. Really loving the game, I haven't played anything else for weeks. I'm just putting ideas out there, I don't even know or expect this to even be codeable.
The first two times I reached factory as a noob and got swamped by programmers was rough, lethal too of course but I learned quickly. At first I didn't even know what was triggering it but now I alway know what to exepect right down to all their modules by floor.
As a combat build I could easily handle even the three that get sent against you later on no sweat. In my recent combat victory I went with ballistics and whenever I knew they were coming I'd just go to a narrow corridor, siege up and hit them before they even came within firing distance. As a commander, they were even less of a threat it was just more of a case of whether or not I had my own programmers yet to reset everyones corruption.
It just becomes tedious, routine and almost like random encounters in an rpg or Pokémon or whatever but without any variety. I don't think this fits well into the game, it almost feels more like attrition than a proper hunt or hit squad against you.
MY SUGGESTION:
I think we should get different/random enemies every sorite, but let's not stop stop there. I noticed recently that the game tracks all your stats/progress, even classifies your build and it can been seen with "dumpstats". Why not put that to use ingame?
Another problem I've found is that watcher bots are sort of a joke for builds who don't rely on sensors or just non stealth builds in general. So why not give watchers the ability to scan you similar to the researchers. If they succeed then the enemies sent to you will be only ones that counter your build. They can even be different variants of regular enemies but with different equipment.
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With all that being said, the stealth aspect of the game in relation to programmer squads is completely the opposite. If you primarily avoid fighting or don't fight all then they do become much more of a threat. But its in a cheesy/arcadey sort of way because they can't be avoided. At least not with game mechanics, the first couple times I went with stealth an used ecm I was very frustrated because it seemingly didn't work on them. It wasn't until I actually searched online to find out if I was doing something wrong that I learned ecm doesn't work on them until they spot you.
In my most recent stealth run(that I finally won stealth in) I tackled this by going with spears instead for the first time.(I didn't know that you could let them spot you and THEN run away with ecm yet)The idea being to core them immediately/reliably when the need arise and I do have to say it worked perfectly ofcourse since I won lol.
I just don't like the fact that this problem can't seemingly be dealt with within the confines of the game, outside of doing something dumb like exposing yourself to then ecm run.
I also noticed there is a lack of combat enemies effectively using sensors in combat or for tracking. The only one I've encountered is the spotter(Run ending bane of existence) so I'm not sure if there are more.
MY SUGGESTIONS:
I know from experience that only the lead programmer tracks you so why not give them sensors instead? When they get well within their sensor range they switch to that instead and then you can use your ecm outside their sensor range to get away. Only you don't know what their range is without your triangulator.
To me this seems like a better way to handle the Mechanic. Still you have the mad dash to slip away but with slightly more breathing room for you and ofcourse nothing dumb like revealing where you are. Much better pursuit capability for the one tracking you with his sensors. As opposed to just seeing you once then you pop ecm around the corner.
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In regards to RIF, most of the abilities you get from subsequent Installations are not very useful mostly because they can't be chosen.. The primary offenders being ones that require a specific coupler, since they are only useful when stacked(somewhat).
I.E. Robot detection/jamming/programm shield
With two utilities you can have sensors and with one jamming. Even if you did have the slots to fit in a coupler of every type why would you waste slots in such an inefficient way? The typical answer being obviously you can stack all the "coupler required" skills along with the programm shield and route tracker Yada Yada. But that just isn't viable until you've visited allot of garrisons and there is no guarantee you'll even get those skills as well since it's randomized. You usually end up with half your skills being unused effectively.
Programmer/behemoth couplers are also hard to come by and non ob10 bots won't fall into your info net either so there is no incentive to use those skills as opposed to conventional info stuff.
I just can't think of any way to fix this outside of letting you pick what you get.
If any more ideas come to me I'll be sure to post them here, thanks!
The first two times I reached factory as a noob and got swamped by programmers was rough, lethal too of course but I learned quickly. At first I didn't even know what was triggering it but now I alway know what to exepect right down to all their modules by floor.
As a combat build I could easily handle even the three that get sent against you later on no sweat. In my recent combat victory I went with ballistics and whenever I knew they were coming I'd just go to a narrow corridor, siege up and hit them before they even came within firing distance. As a commander, they were even less of a threat it was just more of a case of whether or not I had my own programmers yet to reset everyones corruption.
It just becomes tedious, routine and almost like random encounters in an rpg or Pokémon or whatever but without any variety. I don't think this fits well into the game, it almost feels more like attrition than a proper hunt or hit squad against you.
MY SUGGESTION:
I think we should get different/random enemies every sorite, but let's not stop stop there. I noticed recently that the game tracks all your stats/progress, even classifies your build and it can been seen with "dumpstats". Why not put that to use ingame?
Another problem I've found is that watcher bots are sort of a joke for builds who don't rely on sensors or just non stealth builds in general. So why not give watchers the ability to scan you similar to the researchers. If they succeed then the enemies sent to you will be only ones that counter your build. They can even be different variants of regular enemies but with different equipment.
___________
With all that being said, the stealth aspect of the game in relation to programmer squads is completely the opposite. If you primarily avoid fighting or don't fight all then they do become much more of a threat. But its in a cheesy/arcadey sort of way because they can't be avoided. At least not with game mechanics, the first couple times I went with stealth an used ecm I was very frustrated because it seemingly didn't work on them. It wasn't until I actually searched online to find out if I was doing something wrong that I learned ecm doesn't work on them until they spot you.
In my most recent stealth run(that I finally won stealth in) I tackled this by going with spears instead for the first time.(I didn't know that you could let them spot you and THEN run away with ecm yet)The idea being to core them immediately/reliably when the need arise and I do have to say it worked perfectly ofcourse since I won lol.
I just don't like the fact that this problem can't seemingly be dealt with within the confines of the game, outside of doing something dumb like exposing yourself to then ecm run.
I also noticed there is a lack of combat enemies effectively using sensors in combat or for tracking. The only one I've encountered is the spotter(Run ending bane of existence) so I'm not sure if there are more.
MY SUGGESTIONS:
I know from experience that only the lead programmer tracks you so why not give them sensors instead? When they get well within their sensor range they switch to that instead and then you can use your ecm outside their sensor range to get away. Only you don't know what their range is without your triangulator.
To me this seems like a better way to handle the Mechanic. Still you have the mad dash to slip away but with slightly more breathing room for you and ofcourse nothing dumb like revealing where you are. Much better pursuit capability for the one tracking you with his sensors. As opposed to just seeing you once then you pop ecm around the corner.
_____________
In regards to RIF, most of the abilities you get from subsequent Installations are not very useful mostly because they can't be chosen.. The primary offenders being ones that require a specific coupler, since they are only useful when stacked(somewhat).
I.E. Robot detection/jamming/programm shield
With two utilities you can have sensors and with one jamming. Even if you did have the slots to fit in a coupler of every type why would you waste slots in such an inefficient way? The typical answer being obviously you can stack all the "coupler required" skills along with the programm shield and route tracker Yada Yada. But that just isn't viable until you've visited allot of garrisons and there is no guarantee you'll even get those skills as well since it's randomized. You usually end up with half your skills being unused effectively.
Programmer/behemoth couplers are also hard to come by and non ob10 bots won't fall into your info net either so there is no incentive to use those skills as opposed to conventional info stuff.
I just can't think of any way to fix this outside of letting you pick what you get.
If any more ideas come to me I'll be sure to post them here, thanks!
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