Topic: Weekly Seed #19 [Alpha 4b] [Seed: Happy Miner] (Read 10206 times)

zxc · « **on:** December 08, 2015, 07:26:15 AM »

Go dig

This week's seed: Happy Miner

The Weekly Seed is open to anyone. High scores are not the only feature of the runs and the main reason for putting this together is to share our experiences, stories, and tactics over the course of your run.

Rules are as follows:

The Weekly Seed begins from the date this thread is posted and lasts about seven days.
Make sure you are running the correct version of Cogmind (see thread subject).
Enter the seed and abort your current game to initiate the seed (more details are below).
Verify you are not running the tutorial and that the screenshot below of the Scrapyard and Level -10 matches your seed
Play through the game once. This is a friendly competition and we are all honest people.
When finished post your scoresheet here (it should be the newest file in /scores) and any other screenshots/stories/strategies you wish to share with the community.
Due to the spoilerific nature of this thread do not read the comments if you are intending to participate and haven't played your run!
Any scoresheets submitted after seven days will not be included.
Good luck!

HOW TO ENTER A SEED

Press F1 to go to the MENU, select OPTIONS, select Seed, and enter this week's seed:

Select GAME, select ABORT:

If you have followed the steps [Manual seed applied: Happy Miner] should display in the log window.

Congratulations on entering the seed, now get in there!

Kyzrati · « **Reply #1 on:** December 08, 2015, 07:33:48 AM »

I won't be doing any intentional mining--that's up to Decker, I believe--but I will be streaming this week's seed @ Wednesday 12/9, 10:30 PM EST.

I'm out of practice (again...) but I swear there will be revenge for last time!

Kyzrati · « **Reply #2 on:** December 09, 2015, 10:11:48 PM »

Noooooooo...

The stream went extremely smoothly, and then shortly after entering -4/Factory I got completely surrounded by quite a few hostiles and had to drop everything and run (all because I didn't have any AOE, to be honest).

I managed to escape several times, and found lots of gear but nothing worth taking a stand with considering what was tracking me. And I was so busy talking about dying that I missed the fact that I was quite close to a chute :/. Argh. (Happylisk kindly screamed at me to point it out, but by then I was already game over!) I would've had to drop down at 80 integrity, but it would've been better than nothing

This time I was a five-legged beast. Next time I think I'll do a true heavy run instead.

Spoiler: Score 9,240 (click to show/hide)

karlnp · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2015, 11:22:59 PM »

eugh. got surrounded really early by mercenaries - maybe stepped on an alarm trap or something that I didn't notice.

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Cogmind - Alpha 4b Name: karlnp ---[ CORE DESTROYED ]--- Performance ------------- Evolutions (0) 0 Robots Destroyed ( 40 Value Destroyed (161) 161 Prototype IDs (0) 0 Alien Tech Identified (0) 0 Bonus (0) 0 TOTAL SCORE: 201 Cogmind --------- Core Integrity 0/250 Matter 277/300 Energy 50/50 System Corruption 0% Temperature Cool (2) Location -10/Materials Parts ------- Power (1) Propulsion (2) Utility (2) Core Shielding Weapon (2) Inventory ----------- Empty Peak State ------------ Power Light Ion Engine Propulsion Aluminum Leg Aluminum Leg Utility Large Matter Storage Unit Light Armor Plating Weapon Assault Rifle Assault Rifle [Rating: 7] Favorites ----------- Power Light Ion Engine Engine Light Ion Engine Propulsion Aluminum Leg Wheel Compact Wheel Leg Aluminum Leg Utility Large Matter Storage Unit Storage Large Matter Storage Unit Protection Light Armor Plating Weapon Assault Rifle Energy Gun Medium Laser Ballistic Gun Assault Rifle Special Melee Weapon Datajack Stats ------- Classes Destroyed 3 Recycler 1 Swarmer 4 Grunt 3 NPCs Destroyed 0 Best Kill Streak 3 Combat Bots Only 3 Matter Collected 417 Salvage Created 299 Parts Attached 16 Power 2 Propulsion 3 Utility 4 Weapon 7 Parts Lost 13 Power 2 Propulsion 2 Utility 3 Weapon 6 Average Slot Usage (%) 73 Naked Turns 7 Spaces Moved 350 Fastest Speed (%) 200 Average Speed (%) 117 Slowest Speed (%) 66 Overloaded Moves 0 Propulsion Burnouts 0 Targets Rammed 0 Cave-ins Triggered 0 Teleports 0 Heaviest Build 13 Greatest Overweight (x) 3 Average Overweight (x) 0 Largest Inventory 4 Most Items Carried 4 Average Items Carried 2 Core Damage Taken 261 Average Core Remaining (%) 0 Volleys Fired 37 Largest 2 Hottest 50 Shots Fired 44 Gun 44 Cannon 0 Launcher 0 Special 0 Kinetic 41 Thermal 3 Explosive 0 Electromagnetic 0 Shots Hit Robots 44 Core Hits 11 Overload Shots 0 Energy Bleed 0 Heat Surge 0 Short Circuit 0 Meltdown 0 Melee Attacks 21 Impact 0 Slashing 0 Piercing 0 Damage Inflicted 345 Projectiles 345 Explosions 0 Melee 0 Ramming 0 Kinetic 319 Thermal 26 Explosive 0 Electromagnetic 0 Impact 0 Slashing 0 Piercing 0 Self-Inflicted Damage 0 Shots 0 Rammed 0 Highest Temperature 49 Average Temperature 24 Shutdowns 0 Energy Bleed 0 Interference 0 Matter Decay 0 Short Circuit 0 Damage (minor) 0 Damage (major) 0 Damage (core) 0 Highest Corruption 0 Average Corruption 0 Message Errors 0 Parts Rejected 0 Data loss (map) 0 Data loss (database) 0 Misfires 0 Misdirections 0 Targeting Errors 0 Weapon Failures 0 Haulers Intercepted 0 Robots Corrupted 0 Robots Melted 0 Power Chain Reactions 0 Tactical Retreats 1 Communications Jammed 0 Parts Field Recycled 0 Retrieved Matter 0 Parts Merge Repaired 0 Drone Launches 0 Drone Recoveries 0 Derelicts Assembled 0 Traps Triggered 0 Indirectly 0 Trap Hack Attempts 0 Triggered 0 Disarmed 0 Reprogrammed 0 Reused 0 Machine Familiarity 2 Terminals 1 Fabricators 0 Repair Stations 0 Recycling Units 0 Scanalyzers 1 Garrison Access 0 Machines Hacked 2 Terminals 1 Fabricators 0 Repair Stations 0 Recycling Units 0 Scanalyzers 1 Garrison Access 0 Total Hacks 7 Successful 5 Failed 2 Catastrophic 1 Database Lockouts 0 Manual 1 Unauthorized 0 Terminals 5 Fabricators 0 Repair Stations 0 Recycling Units 0 Scanalyzers 2 Garrison Access 0 Terminal Hacks 3 Record 3 Part Schematic 0 Robot Schematic 0 Robot Analysis 0 Prototype ID Bank 0 Open Door 0 Level Access Points 0 Branch Access Points 0 Emergency Access Points 0 Machine Index 0 Terminal Index 0 Fabricator Index 0 Repair Station Index 0 Recycling Unit Index 0 Scanalyzer Index 0 Garrison Index 0 Alert Level 0 Unreport Threat 0 Locate Traps 0 Disarm Traps 0 Reprogram Traps 0 Dispatch Records 0 Maintenance Status 0 Security Status 0 Surveillance Status 0 Patrol Status 0 Transport Status 0 Investigation Status 0 Extermination Status 0 Reinforcement Status 0 Assault Status 0 Recall Investigation 0 Recall Extermination 0 Recall Reinforcements 0 Recall Assault 0 Hauler Manifests 0 Registered Components 0 Registered Prototypes 0 Zone Layout 0 Sector Layout 0 Machine Controls 0 Hacking Detections 2 Full Trace Events 1 Feedback Events 0 Feedback Corruption 0 Feedback Part Disabled 0 Feedback Blocked 0 Garrisons Disabled 0 Garrisons Compromised 0 Robot Schematics Acquired 0 Robots Built 0 Total Robot Build Rating 0 Robot Fabrication Matter 0 Robot Fabrication Time 0 Part Schematics Acquired 1 Parts Built 0 Total Part Build Rating 0 Part Fabrication Matter 0 Part Fabrication Time 0 Parts Repaired 0 Part Repair Time 0 Parts Recycled 0 Recycled Matter 0 Retrieved Matter 0 Parts Scanalyzed 1 Part Schematics Acquired 1 Parts Damaged 0 Robot Analysis Total 0 Robots Rewired 0 Robots Hacked 0 Non-combat 0 Combat 3 Parse 1 Link 1 Rebooted 1 Overloaded 0 Assimilated 0 Manual 0 Secondary 0 Robot Hack Failures 2 Allies Hacked 0 Hacks Repelled 0 Total Allies 0 Largest Group 0 Highest-Rated Group 0 Highest-Rated Ally 0 Total Orders 0 STAY 0 GOTO 0 ROAM 0 FOLLOW 0 GUARD 0 AID 0 BUILD 0 TUNNEL 0 DROP 0 PICKUP 0 COLLECT 0 EXPLORE 0 RETURN 0 Terraforming Orders 0 Walls Built 0 Walls Tunneled 0 Ally Attacks 0 Total Damage 0 Kills 0 Allies Corrupted 0 Allies Melted 0 Peak Influence 117 Average Influence 43 Final Influence 0 Maximum Alert Level 0 Low Security (%) 100 Level 1 0 Level 2 0 Level 3 0 Level 4 0 Level 5 0 Squads Dispatched 1 Investigation 1 Extermination 0 Reinforcement 0 Assault 0 Garrison 0 Exploration Rate (%) 17 Regions Visited 2 Garrisons Visited 0 Relays Disabled 0 Generators Disabled 0 Turns Passed 515 Depth 11 120 Depth 10 395 Scrapyard 120 Materials 395 Prototype IDs --------------- None Alien Tech Recovered ---------------------- None Game ------ Seed: Happy Miner ^Manual?: 1 Play Time: 6 min Sessions: 1 Mod: N/A Game No.: 10 ASCII: 1 Keyboard: 1 Movement: Vi Fullscreen: 1 Font: 18/Cogmind Map View: 76x50 X=9943969629339210001886803800 000030333900350089030838000333 011000168330506311300030651309 090088776008038010163068097390 131100868008168880030080031190 170000383608030080183900038000 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Tried to use the pile of Datajacks to hack some robots, but I had a really low percentage... I suppose the idea is to find hacking ware and then hack garrison units (or what have you), but the percentages are so low I don't know how it's doable. I did just start playing yesterday, though.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2015, 11:33:50 PM »

Datajack hacking of robots is tough without any additional supporting gear, especially so at the very beginning. Not really recommended. And certainly with aid from a Garrison it can become quite easy, so much so that you can own nearly everyone you meet, but it's not easy to achieve that.

It's more possible around the mid-game, and in the future will probably be a more viable strategy overall once we overhaul the hacking gear using one of the methods being discussed.

And we should all be using the tt BBCode to format our scores so nicely like you

karlnp · « **Reply #5 on:** December 10, 2015, 11:47:44 PM »

Yeah, it was more out of desperation rather than a real attempt - but it was disheartening nonetheless, as it feels like it should function as a last-ditch gambit or backstab and I'm not sure where its place is in the playstyle spectrum currently. It seems like it should be a 'controller' or pet player tool, or an applicator for debuffs (and indeed rebooting was very useful and kept me alive a few turns longer than it would have otherwise.)

But it's also an alpha, so I'm hesitant to speculate too much.

Quote from: Kyzrati on December 10, 2015, 11:33:50 PM

And we should all be using the tt BBCode to format our scores so nicely like you

Yeah, I'm a trendsetter.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #6 on:** December 10, 2015, 11:55:10 PM »

Simple things like rebooting are just about all you'll be able to manage at that point.

By comparison, turning a hostile into an ally, or outright destroying them, are both extremely powerful, so they'll always be tough unless you are dedicated / built for it. In theory you can be more effective--it depends on whether you find the right parts (but good hacking parts are tough to come by, which is why we sorta need to change something to retain their long-term effectiveness, otherwise you're likely to lose them before long).

While it would be beneficial to beginners to remove some items that aren't as easy to use without more experience, this would negatively affect the experienced players :/. For example, I'll sometimes carry around a Datajack found in the early game for a while, in case it comes in handy in later areas (so I don't have to go looking for one).

And don't forget they also have other important uses, like disabling traps!

karlnp · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2015, 12:02:28 AM »

Yeah, certainly. I might try this seed again while waiting for Clion to fix itself.

SquigglyJ · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2015, 03:04:05 PM »

Description:

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Score log:

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Kyzrati · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2015, 07:34:19 PM »

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Decker · « **Reply #10 on:** December 13, 2015, 03:02:05 PM »

Tried an all-propulsion challenge: only propulsion slots can be added. Died in -4 after getting surrounded. Surprisingly, one power source is enough. Heat is a problem when shooting.

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zxc · « **Reply #11 on:** December 13, 2015, 09:39:52 PM »

Quote from: Decker on December 13, 2015, 03:02:05 PM

Tried an all-propulsion challenge: only propulsion slots can be added. Died in -4 after getting surrounded. Surprisingly, one power source is enough. Heat is a problem when shooting.

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Cogmind - Alpha 4b

Name: Decker

---[ CORE DESTROYED ]---

Performance
-------------
Evolutions (6) 3000
Robots Destroyed (201) 1005
Value Destroyed (7178) 7178
Prototype IDs (14) 280
Alien Tech Identified (0) 0
Bonus (0) 0
TOTAL SCORE: 11463

Cogmind
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Core Integrity 0/1150
Matter 247/300
Energy 120/120
System Corruption 15%
Temperature Cool (
Location -4/Factory

Parts
-------
Power (1)
Micro Fission Core
Propulsion (14)
Utility (2)
Weapon (2)
Autogun
High-powered Shock Rifle

Inventory
-----------
Empty

Peak State
------------
Power
Fission Core
Propulsion
Flexi-carbon Leg
Carbon-fiber Leg
VTOL Module
Improved Medium Treads
VTOL Module
Carbon-fiber Leg
Medium Treads
Carbon-fiber Leg
Field Propulsion Drive
Heavy Treads
Medium Treads
Field Propulsion Array
Utility
Large Storage Unit
Large Storage Unit
Weapon
Tesla Rifle
Tesla Rifle
[Rating: 82]

Favorites
-----------
Power Fission Core
Engine Improved Ion Engine
Power Core Fission Core
Propulsion Light Treads
Treads Light Treads
Wheel Wheel
Leg Carbon-fiber Leg
Hover Unit Gravmag System
Flight Unit Improved VTOL Module
Utility Medium Storage Unit
Storage Medium Storage Unit
Protection Light Armor Plating
Weapon High-powered Shock Rifle
Energy Gun High-powered Shock Rifle
Energy Cannon Compact Ion Cannon
Ballistic Gun Improved Assault Rifle
Ballistic Cannon Advanced Assault Cannon
Launcher Rocket Launcher

Stats
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Classes Destroyed 16
Worker 22
Builder 13
Tunneler 1
Hauler 10
Recycler 23
Operator 2
Watcher 2
Swarmer 25
Grunt 61
Brawler 4
Duelist 5
Sentry 15
Hunter 7
Programmer 9
Behemoth 1
Assembled 1
NPCs Destroyed 0
Best Kill Streak 14
Combat Bots Only 9
Matter Collected 4111
Salvage Created 9574
Parts Attached 213
Power 20
Propulsion 101
Utility 20
Weapon 72
Parts Lost 103
Power 11
Propulsion 57
Utility 6
Weapon 29
Average Slot Usage (%) 92
Naked Turns 4
Spaces Moved 4774
Fastest Speed (%) 333
Average Speed (%) 134
Slowest Speed (%) 52
Overloaded Moves 0
Propulsion Burnouts 0
Targets Rammed 0
Cave-ins Triggered 0
Teleports 0
Heaviest Build 49
Greatest Overweight (x) 14
Average Overweight (x) 0
Largest Inventory 16
Most Items Carried 16
Average Items Carried 9
Core Damage Taken 2662
Average Core Remaining (%) 59
Depth 10 End 41
Depth 9 End 80
Depth 8 End 64
Depth 7 End 81
Depth 6 End 13
Depth 5 End 78
Volleys Fired 550
Largest 2
Hottest 225
Shots Fired 1037
Gun 697
Cannon 333
Launcher 7
Special 0
Kinetic 451
Thermal 359
Explosive 7
Electromagnetic 220
Shots Hit Robots 777
Core Hits 366
Overload Shots 5
Energy Bleed 0
Heat Surge 0
Short Circuit 0
Meltdown 0
Melee Attacks 0
Impact 0
Slashing 0
Piercing 0
Damage Inflicted 20757
Projectiles 17657
Explosions 3100
Melee 0
Ramming 0
Kinetic 7768
Thermal 7407
Explosive 1698
Electromagnetic 3884
Impact 0
Slashing 0
Piercing 0
Self-Inflicted Damage 460
Shots 13
Rammed 0
Highest Temperature 415
Average Temperature 68
Shutdowns 1
Energy Bleed 0
Interference 3
Matter Decay 0
Short Circuit 0
Damage (minor) 0
Damage (major) 0
Damage (core) 0
Highest Corruption 15
Average Corruption 3
Message Errors 10
Parts Rejected 2
Data loss (map) 11
Data loss (database) 3
Misfires 1
Misdirections 0
Targeting Errors 2
Weapon Failures 1
Depth 8 End 5
Depth 7 End 2
Depth 6 End 3
Depth 5 End 1
Haulers Intercepted 10
Robots Corrupted 9
Robots Melted 0
Power Chain Reactions 0
Tactical Retreats 30
Communications Jammed 0
Parts Field Recycled 0
Retrieved Matter 0
Parts Merge Repaired 0
Drone Launches 0
Drone Recoveries 0
Derelicts Assembled 0
Traps Triggered 0
Indirectly 0
Trap Hack Attempts 0
Triggered 0
Disarmed 0
Reprogrammed 0
Reused 0
Machine Familiarity 17
Terminals 17
Fabricators 0
Repair Stations 0
Recycling Units 0
Scanalyzers 0
Garrison Access 0
Machines Hacked 17
Terminals 17
Fabricators 0
Repair Stations 0
Recycling Units 0
Scanalyzers 0
Garrison Access 0
Total Hacks 46
Successful 8
Failed 38
Catastrophic 15
Database Lockouts 0
Manual 35
Unauthorized 18
Terminals 46
Fabricators 0
Repair Stations 0
Recycling Units 0
Scanalyzers 0
Garrison Access 0
Terminal Hacks 4
Record 0
Part Schematic 0
Robot Schematic 0
Robot Analysis 0
Prototype ID Bank 0
Open Door 0
Level Access Points 3
Branch Access Points 0
Emergency Access Points 0
Machine Index 0
Terminal Index 0
Fabricator Index 0
Repair Station Index 0
Recycling Unit Index 0
Scanalyzer Index 0
Garrison Index 0
Alert Level 0
Unreport Threat 0
Locate Traps 0
Disarm Traps 0
Reprogram Traps 0
Dispatch Records 0
Maintenance Status 0
Security Status 0
Surveillance Status 0
Patrol Status 0
Transport Status 0
Investigation Status 0
Extermination Status 0
Reinforcement Status 0
Assault Status 0
Recall Investigation 0
Recall Extermination 0
Recall Reinforcements 0
Recall Assault 0
Hauler Manifests 0
Registered Components 0
Registered Prototypes 0
Zone Layout 0
Sector Layout 1
Machine Controls 0
Hacking Detections 20
Full Trace Events 0
Feedback Events 0
Feedback Corruption 0
Feedback Part Disabled 0
Feedback Blocked 0
Garrisons Disabled 1
Garrisons Compromised 0
Robot Schematics Acquired 0
Robots Built 0
Total Robot Build Rating 0
Robot Fabrication Matter 0
Robot Fabrication Time 0
Part Schematics Acquired 0
Parts Built 0
Total Part Build Rating 0
Part Fabrication Matter 0
Part Fabrication Time 0
Parts Repaired 0
Part Repair Time 0
Parts Recycled 0
Recycled Matter 0
Retrieved Matter 0
Parts Scanalyzed 0
Part Schematics Acquired 0
Parts Damaged 0
Robot Analysis Total 0
Robots Rewired 0
Robots Hacked 0
Non-combat 0
Combat 0
Parse 0
Link 0
Rebooted 0
Overloaded 0
Assimilated 0
Manual 0
Secondary 0
Robot Hack Failures 0
Allies Hacked 0
Hacks Repelled 0
Total Allies 0
Largest Group 0
Highest-Rated Group 0
Highest-Rated Ally 0
Total Orders 0
STAY 0
GOTO 0
ROAM 0
FOLLOW 0
GUARD 0
AID 0
BUILD 0
TUNNEL 0
DROP 0
PICKUP 0
COLLECT 0
EXPLORE 0
RETURN 0
Terraforming Orders 0
Walls Built 0
Walls Tunneled 0
Ally Attacks 0
Total Damage 0
Kills 0
Allies Corrupted 0
Allies Melted 0
Peak Influence 908
Average Influence 260
Final Influence 295
Maximum Alert Level 3
Low Security (%) 38
Level 1 43
Level 2 13
Level 3 5
Level 4 0
Level 5 0
Squads Dispatched 23
Investigation 2
Extermination 7
Reinforcement 8
Assault 2
Garrison 4
Exploration Rate (%) 20
Regions Visited 11
Garrisons Visited 0
Relays Disabled 0
Generators Disabled 0
Turns Passed 6743
Depth 11 53
Depth 10 810
Depth 9 787
Depth 8 584
Depth 7 754
Depth 6 1763
Depth 5 1637
Depth 4 355
Scrapyard 53
Materials 1702
Factory 4397
Mines 479
Waste 112

Prototype IDs
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Heavy Deuterium Engine
Experimental Airjet
Improved Flight Unit
Improved VTOL Module
Improved Medium Laser
Precision Beam Rifle
Advanced Beam Rifle
Cooled Pulse Rifle
Heavy Gatling Laser
Improved EM Shotgun
Heavy EM Shotgun
Compact Ion Cannon
Improved Assault Rifle
Anti-matter Cannon

Alien Tech Recovered
----------------------
None

Game
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Seed: Happy Miner
^Manual?: 1
Play Time: 130 min
Sessions: 1
Mod: N/A
Game No.: 15
ASCII: 0
Keyboard: 1
Movement: Numpad
Fullscreen: 1
Font: 18/Terminus
Map View: 66x50

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You're crazy.

Also, we'll extend this seed a few days to give time for Alpha 5 to come out before the next weekly seed.

zill · « **Reply #12 on:** December 14, 2015, 03:01:45 AM »

My score was 35.

I AM THE COGMIND!!!!!!!

zxc · « **Reply #13 on:** December 14, 2015, 03:06:41 AM »

Quote from: zill on December 14, 2015, 03:01:45 AM

My score was 35.

I AM THE COGMIND!!!!!!!

Just have another go then

Enno · « **Reply #14 on:** December 14, 2015, 07:17:33 AM »

...sick and tired this week, so after 5min i lost all my weapons and died happy.

Spoiler: scoresheet (click to show/hide)

Kyzrati · « **Reply #15 on:** December 14, 2015, 10:00:33 AM »

Anyone who doesn't make it out of the first floor can really just try again; no one will complain if you go for a regular play through

.

Enno: But if you're not feeling well you should probably just rest do something less intensive than tackle a horde of robots =p

Quote from: Decker on December 13, 2015, 03:02:05 PM

Tried an all-propulsion challenge: only propulsion slots can be added. Died in -4 after getting surrounded. Surprisingly, one power source is enough. Heat is a problem when shooting.

Crazy, but it's probably the most viable "all of one slot" possibility. That's pretty far under such a restriction. Next up is an all-weapon attempt in Alpha 5--it's going to be much more possible with the incoming changes

Enno · « **Reply #16 on:** December 14, 2015, 02:34:20 PM »

ok here it is... my first second weekly-seed in my weekly-seed-history.
all was fine, i was the king and than he came...a hunter at work who spotted me.
normaly hunters are not a big deal for me but this one know his job. and he know it good.
so i lost more and more parts, beautiful parts...and decide to run, cause the hunter was still alive.
found some new flight units and power sources...fast enough to escape from that gruesome hunter.
anyway, doors later five or six grunts and some pests built me up a nice resting place...

Spoiler: scoresheet (click to show/hide)

zill · « **Reply #17 on:** December 14, 2015, 05:14:11 PM »

I retried the seed, and ended up speed/stealth. I had good scanning/sensing equipment and adv. ecm suite, but I could never find any good power sources. I had a power amplifier for a short while, but this only allowed either three flight units and no utilities, or two flight units plus utilities. On -4 I had all my parts shot off, found some treads for armour on -3, and ran into lots of dead ends on -2. High Density Centrium Heavy Treads make great armour. I also found my supporter item, Advanced Powered Armour, but had no power source to make use of it. I think if I could have found a good light power source, or weight distribution, I may have been fast enough and gotten all my scanners into -3, maybe next time.

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Cogmind - Alpha 4b

Name: zill

---[ CORE DESTROYED ]---

 Performance 
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Evolutions (             4000
Robots Destroyed (21)      105
Value Destroyed (404)      404
Prototype IDs (15)         300
Alien Tech Identified (0)  0
Bonus (0)                  0
              TOTAL SCORE: 4809

 Cogmind 
---------
Core Integrity             0/1450
Matter                     284/300
Energy                     50/50
System Corruption          5%
Temperature                Cool (0)
Location                   -2/Research

 Parts 
-------
Power (5)
Propulsion (6)
Utility (9)
Weapon (3)
  Chainsword

 Inventory 
-----------
Experimental Targeting Computer
Experimental Stasis Projector
Light Quantum Reactor

 Peak State 
------------
Power
Propulsion
  Improved Heavy Treads
  High-density Centrium Heavy Treads
  Heavy Treads
Utility
  Experimental Core Analyzer
  Anti-missile System
Weapon
  Quantum Rifle
  Compact Mass Driver
  Experimental Stasis Projector
[Rating: 93]

 Favorites 
-----------
Power                      Light Ion Engine
  Engine                   Light Ion Engine
  Power Core               Neutrino Core
  Reactor                  Light Quantum Reactor
Propulsion                 Improved Flight Unit
  Treads                   Light Treads
  Leg                      Armored Leg
  Hover Unit               Improved Anti-Grav System
  Flight Unit              Improved Flight Unit
Utility                    Small Storage Unit
  Device                   Improved Sensor Array
  Storage                  Small Storage Unit
  Processor                Signal Interpreter
  Hackware                 Improved Decoy Generator
  Protection               Core Shielding
Weapon                     Assault Rifle
  Energy Gun               Backup Laser III
  Energy Cannon            Heavy Neutron Cannon
  Ballistic Gun            Assault Rifle
  Ballistic Cannon         Compact Mass Driver
  Special Weapon           Experimental Stasis Projector
  Slashing Weapon          Chainsword

 Stats 
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Classes Destroyed          6
  Worker                   4
  Tunneler                 1
  Recycler                 2
  Watcher                  1
  Swarmer                  7
  Grunt                    6
NPCs Destroyed             0
Best Kill Streak           8
  Combat Bots Only         8
Matter Collected           1093
  Salvage Created          636
Parts Attached             95
  Power                    16
  Propulsion               24
  Utility                  35
  Weapon                   20
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  Propulsion               13
  Utility                  14
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  Depth 7 End              79
  Depth 6 End              97
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  Piercing                 0
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Decker · « **Reply #18 on:** December 14, 2015, 05:45:02 PM »

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You're crazy.

I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it!

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Next up is an all-weapon attempt in Alpha 5--it's going to be much more possible with the incoming changes

Since you bring up that topic...

Cogmind has a complex model. Finding out the optimal offensive loadout is fun but non-trivial. I tried doing the math by hand, using negative binomial distributions and the like, and I didn't like my approximations. So, I did what a good programmer should do and simulated the hell out of it.

The result is a Python script (work in progress, I'm halfway through the implementation, but busy ATM) that analyzes 10000 encounters with a list of enemies. The loadout (weapons + utilities) matches the in-game mechanics, accounting for hit chances, crit rates, etc. Enemies are described by a list of parts and resistances, along with a user-specified base hit chance that accounts for distance/size/heat/cloaking.
By default the script displays the final statistics: average number of volleys (with standard deviation), average time to kill, and cause of death (core busted, core critted, corrupted, disabled). You can also activate verbose mode if you want to see what happens in a sample run (1 encounter).

Some limitations & assumptions apply. Kyzrati, could you confirm that I got this right?

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For launchers, the usual hit chance is ignored. Instead, the hit probabilities are given by distance in the weapon descriptor, e.g. [30, 40, 10, 20] means 30% point-blank, 40% dist 1, 10% dist 2, 20% miss.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #19 on:** December 14, 2015, 07:57:33 PM »

Quote from: Enno on December 14, 2015, 02:34:20 PM

i was the king and than he came...a hunter at work who spotted me.

Hunters generally scare me more than anything. If not handled properly they can really single-handedly ruin a run.

@zill: Way to switch out towards the end there, and yeah it always sucks to have Powered Armor without the power to operate it!

Quote from: Decker on December 14, 2015, 05:45:02 PM

Since you bring up that topic...

O_o

Sooo many variables to consider--but wow you are really into this

. My desire is to have a system in which you can't say with absolute certainty that X, Y and Z are always better than A, B, C. We want to have many unique strategies with roughly equal validity, and the huge number of parts on top of a flexible slot distribution are ways to achieve this. For Cogmind it's akin to the differences in class found in other roguelikes, only you're not locked into any one play style for the duration of a run.

I wrote a similar script to help determine reasonable numbers, but mine is far far simpler than what you're doing here!

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karlnp · « **Reply #20 on:** December 15, 2015, 02:18:54 AM »

I made some decent progress on my roguelike engine, so I'll try this again before the next seed goes up.

karlnp · « **Reply #21 on:** December 15, 2015, 02:50:41 AM »

Whoof. Finally got a decent run with my score >50. Had to self-destruct because I ran into two Y-type units surrounded by pests, and they took away all my parts. Is there any way to tell where a given exit will go in the Caves? I'd never run into Assembled before and that seems interesting/weird.

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Cogmind - Alpha 4b Name: karlnp ---[ SELF-DESTRUCTED ]--- Performance ------------- Evolutions (1) 500 Robots Destroyed (8) 40 Value Destroyed (253) 253 Prototype IDs (0) 0 Alien Tech Identified (0) 0 Bonus (0) 0 TOTAL SCORE: 793 Cogmind --------- Core Integrity 320/400 Matter 252/300 Energy 200/200 System Corruption 0% Temperature Cool (0) Location -9/Materials Parts ------- Power (2) Ion Engine Propulsion (3) Improved Hover Unit Utility (2) Core Shielding Weapon (2) Inventory ----------- Scan Processor Light Ion Engine Peak State ------------ Power Ion Engine Improved Ion Engine Propulsion Aluminum Leg Hover Unit Airjet Utility Core Shielding Heat Sink Weapon Assault Rifle Light Assault Rifle [Rating: 12] Favorites ----------- Power Light Nuclear Core Engine Light Ion Engine Power Core Light Nuclear Core Propulsion Aluminum Leg Leg Aluminum Leg Hover Unit Hover Unit Utility Core Shielding Device Heat Sink Processor Scan Processor Protection Core Shielding Weapon Assault Rifle Energy Gun Medium Laser Ballistic Gun Assault Rifle Stats ------- Classes Destroyed 3 Swarmer 1 Grunt 6 Assembled 1 NPCs Destroyed 0 Best Kill Streak 2 Combat Bots Only 2 Matter Collected 473 Salvage Created 293 Parts Attached 28 Power 8 Propulsion 9 Utility 5 Weapon 6 Parts Lost 12 Power 1 Propulsion 6 Utility 2 Weapon 3 Average Slot Usage (%) 77 Naked Turns 2 Spaces Moved 693 Fastest Speed (%) 250 Average Speed (%) 152 Slowest Speed (%) 33 Overloaded Moves 0 Propulsion Burnouts 0 Targets Rammed 0 Cave-ins Triggered 0 Teleports 0 Heaviest Build 17 Greatest Overweight (x) 5 Average Overweight (x) 0 Largest Inventory 4 Most Items Carried 4 Average Items Carried 3 Core Damage Taken 144 Average Core Remaining (%) 74 Depth 10 End 74 Volleys Fired 34 Largest 2 Hottest 106 Shots Fired 47 Gun 47 Cannon 0 Launcher 0 Special 0 Kinetic 30 Thermal 17 Explosive 0 Electromagnetic 0 Shots Hit Robots 32 Core Hits 13 Overload Shots 0 Energy Bleed 0 Heat Surge 0 Short Circuit 0 Meltdown 0 Melee Attacks 0 Impact 0 Slashing 0 Piercing 0 Damage Inflicted 487 Projectiles 487 Explosions 0 Melee 0 Ramming 0 Kinetic 273 Thermal 214 Explosive 0 Electromagnetic 0 Impact 0 Slashing 0 Piercing 0 Self-Inflicted Damage 0 Shots 0 Rammed 0 Highest Temperature 339 Average Temperature 135 Shutdowns 0 Energy Bleed 1 Interference 1 Matter Decay 0 Short Circuit 1 Damage (minor) 0 Damage (major) 0 Damage (core) 0 Highest Corruption 0 Average Corruption 0 Message Errors 0 Parts Rejected 0 Data loss (map) 0 Data loss (database) 0 Misfires 0 Misdirections 0 Targeting Errors 0 Weapon Failures 0 Haulers Intercepted 0 Robots Corrupted 0 Robots Melted 0 Power Chain Reactions 0 Tactical Retreats 2 Communications Jammed 0 Parts Field Recycled 0 Retrieved Matter 0 Parts Merge Repaired 0 Drone Launches 0 Drone Recoveries 0 Derelicts Assembled 0 Traps Triggered 0 Indirectly 0 Trap Hack Attempts 0 Triggered 0 Disarmed 0 Reprogrammed 0 Reused 0 Machine Familiarity 3 Terminals 2 Fabricators 0 Repair Stations 0 Recycling 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karlnp · « **Reply #22 on:** December 15, 2015, 02:52:33 AM »

also, how do you drop things in keyboard mode

Sherlockkat · « **Reply #23 on:** December 15, 2015, 02:59:52 AM »

@karlnp : When you say caves, do you mean mines? Typically, if you see a bunch of med matter storage units and mining lasers around the staircase, then you can safely assume that the staircase will take you to mines. Also, you drop stuff from your inventory by press Alt + (inventory id). So, if you want to drop the first inventory item, press Alt + 1. I don't think you can drop the parts that are attached you directly. I am not sure, though.

Kyzrati · « **Reply #24 on:** December 15, 2015, 03:04:04 AM »

Quote from: Sherlockkat on December 15, 2015, 02:59:52 AM

I don't think you can drop the parts that are attached you directly. I am not sure, though.

If your inventory is full, they'll bypass the inventory and auto-drop to the ground, and yeah it was originally not possible to force skip a non-full inventory in keyboard mode, but I added that in Alpha 4: Press ',' before doing the normal kb detach and it will drop to the ground instead. (That and other related commands are all listed in the advanced commands: F1 > 2.)

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