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Here is an image exported from REXPaint 1.70 using all of CDDA's possible colors

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      "<color_black_light_red>ƒ</color>        <color_light_red>ƒ</color>      ",
      "<color_black_light_green>ƒ</color>         <color_light_green>ƒ</color>     ",
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      "<color_black_light_blue>ƒ</color>           <color_light_blue>ƒ</color>   ",
      "<color>ƒ</color>            <color_pink>ƒ</color>  ",
      "<color_black_light_cyan>ƒ</color>             <color_light_cyan>ƒ</color> ",
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And here's what it looks like in-game (tested with 0.G and 0.G STEAM)



Here is the same code, but updated with color tags that match definitions in the current stable version of CDDA

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    {
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      "<color_black_red>ƒ</color><color_red>ƒ</color><color_green_red>ƒ</color><color_brown_red>ƒ</color><color_blue_red>ƒ</color><color_magenta_red>ƒ</color><color_cyan_red>ƒ</color><color_light_gray_red>ƒ</color><color_dark_gray_red>ƒ</color><color_light_red_red>ƒ</color><color_light_green_red>ƒ</color><color_yellow_red>ƒ</color><color_light_blue_red>ƒ</color><color_pink_red>ƒ</color><color_light_cyan_red>ƒ</color><color_white_red>ƒ",
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And here's what that looks like in-game



Here's a table of current color tags that need updating and their updated versions to their right:

current	updated		current	updated		current	updated
black_brown	black_yellow		magenta_blue	h_magenta		light_red_light_gray	light_red_white
red_brown	red_yellow		cyan_blue	h_cyan		light_green_light_gray	light_green_white
green_brown	green_yellow		light_gray_blue	h_light_gray		yellow_light_gray	yellow_white
blue_brown	blue_yellow		dark_gray_blue	h_dark_gray		light_blue_light_gray	light_blue_white
magenta_brown	magenta_yellow		light_red_blue	h_light_red		pink_light_gray	pink_white
cyan_brown	cyan_yellow		light_green_blue	h_light_green		light_cyan_light_gray	light_cyan_white
light_gray_brown	light_gray_yellow		yellow_blue	h_yellow		white_light_gray	white_white
dark_gray_brown	dark_gray_yellow		light_blue_blue	h_light_blue		black_dark_gray	i_dark_gray
light_red_brown	light_red_yellow		pink_blue	h_pink		black_light_red	i_light_red
light_green_brown	light_green_yellow		light_cyan_blue	h_light_cyan		black_light_green	i_light_green
yellow_brown	yellow_yellow		white_blue	h_white		black_yellow	i_yellow
light_blue_brown	light_blue_yellow		black_light_gray	black_white		black_light_blue	i_light_blue
pink_brown	pink_yellow		red_light_gray	red_white		black_pink	i_pink
light_cyan_brown	light_cyan_yellow		green_light_gray	green_white		black_light_cyan	i_light_cyan
white_brown	white_yellow		brown_light_gray	brown_white		black_white	i_white
black_blue	h_blue		blue_light_gray	blue_white
red_blue	h_red		magenta_light_gray	magenta_white
green_blue	h_green		cyan_light_gray	cyan_white
brown_blue	h_brown		dark_gray_light_gray	dark_gray_white

I'm not sure when this changed. I'll have to do some more digging to find that out. As far as having a full color palette goes, that was a pipe dream. I learned that Cata has technical restrictions placed on its colors to conform with a particular ANSI standard, so the above "half" palette is all the colors that artists have available to work with.

I think the description would be a lot clearer if it had "doesn't work on robots with dismemberment immunity" at the end of it.

I tend to avoid doing that because then for consistency you really want to do it everywhere, and that results in very long lists and descriptions all over the place. It's better to have such a description on the object that actually has such an effect, where it directly matters at the closest point.

CS is insanely good against more than just that one bot though. Lotta good otherwise strong targets in the late game considering how powerful it is. I originally took it for FFF in my last run, but ended up failing that target since my power was instantly shot off and saving it for later where it obliterated a number of other nasty bots at relatively low cost to my build. Stripping powerful combat bots to guarantee your pick of their loot is quite a good deal.

Also kind surprising that you're just getting that achievement now? Would've assumed you got that ages ago considering how easy it is to get once you can reach that area.

I think the effect probably didn't trigger any of the first two or three times i attempted to use it (attempts probably only made during my first runs),
and then never used it again, partially because it's a melee weapon, but mostly because of the vague description.

My understanding of it was something like this :
"It definitely won't work on all enemies, that would completely break the game. Therefore, some robots are immune to it. Which ones? Probably those with coring immunity."
(With this understanding of it, the weapon lost most of its use cases.)
"I don't think it's worth it to spend two slots for an unreliable melee weapon that drains tons of energy and can only kill enemies i can already kill quickly anyway, especially when i always play ranged builds, so i don't see the point to it."

Then, when i started doing flight builds :
"Still not worth it, the Broadsword is much more reliable at killing enemies, costs less energy, and so on."

Eventually, i heard that it could kill a certain large prototype robot that does have coring immunity, but that didn't clarify what it could actually kill.
I think i might have tried to use the Core Stripper against that robot, but i'm not sure. It definitely didn't succeed, though.
And i never saw the point anyway, since my builds couldn't benefit from that robot's parts.

It's only recently that which robots were immune to it was clarified (i think that change is from Beta 14?),
but even then, the immunity to the Core Stripper is written about only in the "Dismemberment immunity" explanation,
instead of within the part description itself (like is done for some other parts, like the Immobilizer and the Field Lobotomy Kit).
I think the description would be a lot clearer if it had "doesn't work on robots with dismemberment immunity" at the end of it.


The only reason i actually got the achievement is because i saw that someone had gotten it rather easily, and because i saw the two bugfixes about the Obliterator (which i haven't gotten yet),
which allowed me to deduce how to get the achievement. I was then able to get it the very next run.
So yeah, that's why it's the 220th achievement i got.

Yeah it was coded to do that intentionally.

Yeah this is simply normal order of operations as they're carried out, and you'll find a few messages that refer to things before they eventually update their name (sometimes in the history log as well), or in some cases actually the reverse, though it's clear what happens so not something to make special exceptions for. There is enough complexity now that making such exceptions actually ends up causing other unforeseen issues.

Ah, another instance of this--just not long ago fixed a similar issue elsewhere for the same reason (some things that were built before the ability to get map-wide intel through other means, so the original code was written without that knowledge--gets more and more common as the game gets so much more massive, not to mention all the time trying to find most such things before a release ).

mark_security doesn't have this issue though, it works correctly since it was put together years later.

Yeah the description is just more specific than it needs to be. You can get the achievement by successfully using it on anything, the assumption was just that you'll probably want to use it on an enemy (also it sounds cooler in the description, but again it's technically not required)

Also kind surprising that you're just getting that achievement now? Would've assumed you got that ages ago considering how easy it is to get once you can reach that area.

Anyway, I'll just update the code for this so that it does require it to be an actual enemy, for consistency since clearly someone might actually use this on... something other than the major enemies it's usually used on xD

Yeah it's not a bug, I just built it to support only up to a certain size (due to how it's calculated) and didn't want to go further than that. That's obviously a pretty special exception there

Yep, the usual, an outdated analysis due to updates for other reasons

The date in the changelog section for that version is missing an end parenthesis in changelog.txt, by the way. It currently looks like this :
Cogmind Alpha 12 "The Place No One Lives to Tell About" (161122

Yeah that was done with some automation recently when I decided to rebuild the entire changelog from the beginning to improve the formatting a bit, guess I can add that in manually

Well I normally might not be able to tell what's happening in the gif because it's really quite small and I can't seem to make it any bigger, but I guess it does get the point across in this case. That said, I'm sure they were blocked and forced to find a new path because Beta 14 contains a rather serious new pathfinding issue that was added while working out a proper way to remove the AI jumping potential (and it went kinda overboard) so this has already been addressed after the release and adjusted for Beta 15. You'll have to wait for that (so far just in prerelease testing), and until then know that there are definitely some weird paths being taken by AIs in groups at the moment in Beta 14 if you observe them long enough and closely enough, or just get "lucky."